tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post116095587423743251..comments2024-03-14T04:53:49.513-05:00Comments on FemaleScienceProfessor: Attack PaperFemale Science Professorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15288567883197987690noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-7743032794990715492007-06-11T02:15:00.000-05:002007-06-11T02:15:00.000-05:00Ack. I'm sorry people like that exist. And that th...Ack. I'm sorry people like that exist. And that the editor bothered to send the paper out instead of just rejecting it outright and telling them they lost sight of the science. <BR/><BR/>On the other hand, pretty cool that the editor sent it to you first, so you have a chance to squelch it or at least politely point out to the editor which parts you think are inappropriate.<BR/><BR/>Sounds like most editors in your field (and estraven's) are your friends, or at least decent/smart people. I wish I could say the same for mine.Ms.PhDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11050354864577547294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-52362256558351235022007-06-08T10:04:00.000-05:002007-06-08T10:04:00.000-05:00estraven, I am impressed. That's how it should wor...estraven, I am impressed. That's how it should work!Female Science Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15288567883197987690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-83934073150893256322007-06-08T04:27:00.000-05:002007-06-08T04:27:00.000-05:00The contents of the manuscript is what intrigues m...The contents of the manuscript is what intrigues me. (sorry if you've mentioned this before.. I'm new around here)Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16888125796129754219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-92096738855876254952007-06-08T02:52:00.000-05:002007-06-08T02:52:00.000-05:00Funny. I am now precisely in the position of the a...Funny. I am now precisely in the position of the authors of the paper you are refereeing: I have a paper with results similar, but in my opinion better, than those of another group who has submitted some time ago, and whose results we knew about and used as motivation.<BR/><BR/>So what we did is: before submitting, we sent a preliminary version to the other group, asking them to check our wording and make sure they get proper credit. We took two weeks working it out until we found a formulation we could all be happy with. <BR/><BR/>And then they asked us to submit the paper to the same journal, writing a joint letter to the editors and asking that, if accepted, the two papers be published back-to-back. <BR/><BR/>Maybe we are just better behaved in my field? Maybe it helps we're all friends of each other? You make me feel so lucky.barbarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07920729871547017890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-60562372761471476982007-06-07T21:58:00.000-05:002007-06-07T21:58:00.000-05:00...there's a fine line between having expertise in...<I>...there's a fine line between having expertise in a topic and being unobjective.</I><BR/><BR/>A lucid formulation of a subtle point. I can readily believe you got those teaching awards.gshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15661771595044494591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-34770836577817167942007-06-07T16:00:00.000-05:002007-06-07T16:00:00.000-05:00Yes, I'll definitely give my opinion on those aspe...Yes, I'll definitely give my opinion on those aspects of the paper, but I don't want to appear so territorial and offended that I can't also give a reasonable evaluation of the content, such as it is. Getting the tone of my review right will probably take just as long as writing the comments..Female Science Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15288567883197987690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-54517719568702665732007-06-07T15:56:00.000-05:002007-06-07T15:56:00.000-05:00In any case, the editor can sort it all out -- in ...<I>In any case, the editor can sort it all out -- in my review, I will try to focus on the substance of the manuscript.</I><BR/><BR/>I dunno, it seems as if the editor is giving you an opportunity to say something along the lines of what you said in this post, i.e. the science is solid, but the tone is poor. Not so much because you're personally offended, but because it detracts from the thoughtful, critical paper that they could write.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-33750435817806687362007-06-07T13:05:00.000-05:002007-06-07T13:05:00.000-05:00huh, I thought this happened mostly in the fluffie...huh, I thought this happened mostly in the fluffier sciences. We just had this exact thing happen. Very bizarre. Complete mischaracterization of earlier work including deviously incomplete quoting. A subset of us (not including me) wrote a response, and their response to that was to argue what you are saying. That *we* had lost sight of science. I wonder if I am that blind to my own biases, except I am not that invested in being right (I'm rather junior). Puzzling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-38209213510208678372007-06-07T12:47:00.000-05:002007-06-07T12:47:00.000-05:00I have one "colleague" who always looks for disagr...I have one "colleague" who always looks for disagreements between their work and others', and elevates them to significant discoveries proving everyone else is wrong. Even when they basically agree, they manage to find trivial differences that they make the main point of the paper. On top of that, they often ignore previous work in the field, work that I know for a fact they are aware of. Fortunately, over time, I have seen this person's reputation sink to the level I feel it deserves. <BR/><BR/>The sad part is that the person is, in many respects, a talented and productive scientist. If they could get rid of the chip on their shoulder they would be more successful and probably a happier person.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com