tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post2803566521773916673..comments2024-03-25T02:33:41.590-05:00Comments on FemaleScienceProfessor: Haves and Have NotttsFemale Science Professorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15288567883197987690noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-71937468713677749892010-09-03T11:51:17.269-05:002010-09-03T11:51:17.269-05:00Guess I have it good, somewhat. I'm a NOTTT wh...Guess I have it good, somewhat. I'm a NOTTT who gets paid the same as TT faculty. I feel a part of the department and am included in all activities. Would love to have the job security that TT is supposed to bring and will jump at the chance to do it sometime in the future. Things are good right now and I can just focus on my research.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-50539331116312029972010-09-02T18:15:05.120-05:002010-09-02T18:15:05.120-05:00All of our NOTTTs are practitioners or former prac...All of our NOTTTs are practitioners or former practitioners. Several of them probably still have contacts who could kill a person without leaving a trace or trail.<br /><br />We treat our NOTTTs with the utmost respect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-28910187217625171542010-09-02T13:44:33.338-05:002010-09-02T13:44:33.338-05:00Clarissa,
We have NOTTT math faculty who have tau...Clarissa,<br /><br />We have NOTTT math faculty who have taught the same courses at the same school for over 20 years, and make well above a "minimum living". These are people who have <i>chosen</i> to not pursue a research career.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-81250487482569020052010-09-02T10:47:56.977-05:002010-09-02T10:47:56.977-05:00Clarissa, in math most of the NOTTT teach 3 lower-...Clarissa, in math most of the NOTTT teach 3 lower-level courses per semester at a single school, repeating the same course with reasonable regularity and do things like coordinate large multi-section courses and organize who teaches what. When you think that most of the T/TT faculty teach 1/2 or more of that and are also expected to advise graduate students, coordinate larger multi-section courses, publish, teach upper level and graduate courses which take a lot more time, attend conferences, get grants, sit on department/university committees etc, I don't the NOTTTs have it so bad, even if they are paid less. As was stated in the initial comment on this topic, this division of labor results in generally happy people. Maybe it's not the same in your field, but please don't extrapolate that to other fields without any data.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-29003851259110730232010-09-02T10:30:40.245-05:002010-09-02T10:30:40.245-05:00FSP, I thought this was a very reasonable, balance...FSP, I thought this was a very reasonable, balanced post.<br /><br />When I was untenured, I had several very negative interactions with NOTTT faculty. Most of them were older men, who seemed to follow the lead of the older male tenured faculty in mistreating untenured TT faculty in general, and female faculty (all untenured) in particular. NOTTT certainly are underprivileged when compared to tenured faculty, but not necessarily when compared to untenured TT faculty, in terms of pay, respect, office space, or job security. <br /><br />I did not complain about the abusive NOTTT for the same reason I did not complain about the abusive senior faculty. The chair would not have cared. In fact, he was one of the worst offenders. Happily, things have changed since then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-53665352177033382542010-09-02T10:16:30.323-05:002010-09-02T10:16:30.323-05:00"The vast majority of the NOTTT members of ou..."The vast majority of the NOTTT members of our department aren't active in research, meaning that they don't come to (or give) seminars, publish mathematical papers, or supervise graduate students."<br /><br />-You are syaing it like they don't do research because they don't feel like it. In my experience, NOTTTs teach at 3 different colleges for 10 hours a day, every day of the week just to eke a bare minimum living. How are they supposed to find time and resources to do research?Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-76614435573124340792010-09-02T10:14:18.094-05:002010-09-02T10:14:18.094-05:00"if they are aggressively bitter and resentfu..."if they are aggressively bitter and resentful, even towards those with no role in their difficult situations"<br /><br />-How can you be a part of the department but have "no role" in their situations? Of course, we all have a role in allowing the administration treat adjuncts and instructors like crap.Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-47973020529043817292010-09-02T08:57:47.705-05:002010-09-02T08:57:47.705-05:00I'm TT in a math department, where we have a r...I'm TT in a math department, where we have a reasonable number of NOTTT colleagues, with either long-term (1-3 year) or short-term (per course) contracts. There is, in my experience, essentially no conflict in our department (nor in other math departments that I've been in) between the T/TT and NOTTT groups; in particular, none that is due to the T/TT-NOTTT split.<br /><br />For us, there's a fairly clear correlation between tenure-stream and research-active faculty. The vast majority of the NOTTT members of our department aren't active in research, meaning that they don't come to (or give) seminars, publish mathematical papers, or supervise graduate students. They do, however, contribute wonderful things to our department, through their teaching, mentoring and advising of undergrads, and various service duties. Everyone seems to understand both the distinction in activities, and that these are valuable contributions that <i>someone</i> needs to do, and the NOTTT faculty do these things well. The research-active NOTTT faculty all have 3-year fixed-term positions, that are ubiquitous in Math depts, and are understood to be the career-building equivalent to grant-funded postdocs in other fields.<br /><br />Perhaps I'm just oblivious to the feelings of my NOTTT colleagues, or maybe I've just been lucky in the departments that I've happened to work in, but it seems to me that having a clear understanding of the roles, contributions, and employment status of the NOTTT faculty works very well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-48917136059168419802010-09-02T07:49:46.160-05:002010-09-02T07:49:46.160-05:00This is one of the first blog posts that I've ...This is one of the first blog posts that I've read regarding "NOTTT" and their interactions with TT professionals. Thank you! I recently accepted a NOTTT position, and I am grateful that my institution as a whole attempts to treat NOTTT with some degree of equivalence to those on the tenure-track: we are invited to the semi-annual faculty "states of the union", we receive all emails that are targeted to faculty, we receive the same benefits as tenure-track faculty. In this difficult funding time, I feel particularly lucky to have the opportunity to work on my research and work on grants at a reasonable pace while furthering the goals of the PI with whom I work. <br /><br />That's not to say that there aren't difficult interactions with some individuals in my work environment. And it's not always from those on the tenure-track either. Often, postdocs and/or graduate students can treat NOTTT faculty as second class as well, always with the assumption that they would never accept such a position. Unfortunately, it's become so difficult to obtain a tenure-track position that unless one has no obligations (family or otherwise) to consider, is published in both high quantity and in GlamourMags, and (most importantly) has successfully managed to network, they may not have many choices if they want to remain in academia.Rianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-78822279338860643152010-09-02T01:55:54.574-05:002010-09-02T01:55:54.574-05:00I think you are going to get some grief regarding ...I think you are going to get some grief regarding this post. <br />It's one of those things: if you are perceived as a person with a privilege (a tenured position), anything that you say against the people who consider themselves less privileged (disgruntled adjuncts), will always be considered unjust and patronizing. Even if you have a good reason, even if you are trying your best to be objective and tactful.Morosenoreply@blogger.com