tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post3952918978390608037..comments2024-03-25T02:33:41.590-05:00Comments on FemaleScienceProfessor: Hyphenated-Last-NameFemale Science Professorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15288567883197987690noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-81045315245833808432012-02-27T20:52:12.495-06:002012-02-27T20:52:12.495-06:00My kids have two last names (no hyphen). This is ...My kids have two last names (no hyphen). This is my second marriage and I was not taking his last name. He adopted my daughter (from said previous marriage) and so she lost her middle name (while he bio dad gave her so no loss there- ek!) and got our two last names. When our son came along we opted, again, for no middle name and the two last names. I admit that it is frustratng when people cut you off after the first name but it's nothing to get angry about. The arguement from an outsider was their names were two long. I admit that I counted letters in the kindergarten class list and my daughters was NOT the longest. One letter shorter and that was without the other kid's middle name! hahaha...Erinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-91919099757588262602012-01-04T12:21:31.375-06:002012-01-04T12:21:31.375-06:00What if every generation gave their children both ...What if every generation gave their children both last names? It would take ten minutes to sign their names. It makes no sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-21287823474016627932011-09-29T00:11:51.849-05:002011-09-29T00:11:51.849-05:00Oh boy! None of you would want to be from the sout...Oh boy! None of you would want to be from the south of india, where there are two first names and two surnames. I mean two words/parts for each.<br /><br />Example: <br /><br />Firstname1 Firstname2 Surname1 Surname2<br /><br />Surname1 is the place you/ your family is from.<br /><br />Surname2 is your father's firstname.<br /><br />God save you if your dad has two firstnames!<br /><br />Living with that in Australia has been frustrating. No space on the forms and I keep getting referred to as Mr.Surname1..<br /><br />Which is like calling someone Mr.Westend<br /><br />Now would you all please get some perspective and stop complaining.<br /><br />Have heard some arab names are longer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-86560939405919031802011-06-19T00:49:51.183-05:002011-06-19T00:49:51.183-05:00I think it all depends in what society you are liv...I think it all depends in what society you are living. If it is patriarchal society than the child takes the fathers last name and the wife can take the husband's last name or leave it her own, it is her to decide.<br /><br />I am not surprised that in Spanish driven cultures mothers surname presents in child's last name. I think it is because those cultures are not 100% patriarchal, even the language has genders where else some languages don't.<br /><br />In my opinion having two or more surnames makes things more confusing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-86144322112809151292011-05-01T19:50:36.891-05:002011-05-01T19:50:36.891-05:00It's interesting your mother in law objected t...It's interesting your mother in law objected to your name coming first - in the British Aristocracy the more 'important' name always came last! Eg the current royal family is Mountbatten(Queen eliz husband's name) Windsor (queen's name - much more important!!) I am secretly a little bit annoyed that MySurname-HusbandsSurname runs very well together but is awkward the other way around, since a little part of me would like to be in the 'more important' position. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-83385724951918555722011-01-08T17:09:23.307-06:002011-01-08T17:09:23.307-06:00This is my most recent take on this issue:
http:/...This is my most recent take on this issue:<br /><br />http://science-professor.blogspot.com/2010/04/unchanging.htmlFemale Science Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15288567883197987690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-36173249888687512692011-01-08T16:27:31.961-06:002011-01-08T16:27:31.961-06:00Certainly true, 'Anonymous'. The point I ...Certainly true, 'Anonymous'. The point I was trying to convey is that a person need not be concerned over whether to legally change or not change a surname based on one's preferred scientific publication name.Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-15042525033887907742011-01-08T15:35:09.016-06:002011-01-08T15:35:09.016-06:00Paul - The same goes for you as well. You could ch...Paul - The same goes for you as well. You could change your last name and still retain your pre-marriage name for publications. Just an idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-25573050303174000172011-01-08T15:28:41.358-06:002011-01-08T15:28:41.358-06:00My fiancee and I are both research scientists as w...My fiancee and I are both research scientists as well, and this question came up for us regarding future plans for kids' names and, of course, science publication records.<br /><br />I mentioned to her that if she were to change her last name to mine, she could still retain her publication name (in PubMed, etc.) as I know of no rule against that. Mark Twain and others wrote several books in their careers using a pen name, so why should scientific publications be any different?Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-86742883138784217632010-12-07T09:25:46.872-06:002010-12-07T09:25:46.872-06:00There is currently a pro NFL football player whose...There is currently a pro NFL football player whose name is<br />BenJarvus Jeremy Green-Ellis. When you hear BenJarvus, you'd think it's two names. I'd never heard the middle name (Jeremy) until I looked on wikipedia. So when they call his name you hear Ben Jarvus Green Ellis.<br />They jokingly refer to him as the "Law Firm". His wiki gives no insight as to why he has a hyphenated name, but the subject made me do a Google search and I came across this extremely interesting thread. I've learned a ton on a pretty obscure subject.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-72409071179397828902010-11-15T11:21:16.918-06:002010-11-15T11:21:16.918-06:00Anonymous said..."I don't get why women s...Anonymous said..."I don't get why women seem to think they're equal"<br /><br />your lucky wifeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-1216601391622670192010-10-24T00:19:57.631-05:002010-10-24T00:19:57.631-05:00I guess its just a modern world of feminist and po...I guess its just a modern world of feminist and political correctness or selfishness and pretentiousness... who knows.<br /><br />I just know these hyphenated names- are problems for many people.<br /><br />Myself I won't marry a woman if she will not take my last name.<br /><br />Its bad enough seeing these long (explitive) last names on the back of sports jerseys like macijewski-cummings that don't even fit and the ppl can't read it when they watch the said player. What was his or her name again?<br /><br />I honestly hate doing name changes for people when I work with email servers. They create such a pains for other people with longer logins and mail forwarding and all the other mess. Sometimes they won't fit because there are too many characters<br /><br />I don't get why women seem to think they're equal and just trash traditionalist thinking just because they want to.<br /><br />I'm proud my mother kept her last name after divorce. Then again she didn't have children out of wedlock either.<br /><br />But to each their own I guess. 9 of 10 times when I look at a hyphenated name- I feel sorry for the chilren of that mother. She's usually divorced, remarried 3 times and has zero commitment to making marriage last- as it were- for life. And yes in my experiences 9 of these 10 women with hyphenated names- are from such backgrounds and/or are overbearing feminists.<br /><br />Its time some people revert back to their traditional values. <br /><br /><br />Matthew 7 13-14<br />"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-41033759668546597152010-07-27T16:33:45.661-05:002010-07-27T16:33:45.661-05:00Glad to know this thread is still going. I'm a...Glad to know this thread is still going. I'm a man who got married in June; my wife and I both hyphenated our names. however, we both went with birthname-marriedname, which means that we share our names elements but in reverse order from each other.<br /><br />Now my parents, who I thought were pretty liberal, are giving me hell about having rejected various family traditions, etc. But they say it would have been less bad to them if I'd gone with marriedname-birthname, because (as has been mentioned in an earlier comment) the final last name gets priority. In all the examples I'm familiar with, though, the first last name gets priority if one of them does, while the last one gets priority if they're not hyphenated.<br /><br />From this thread, it seems that order is essentially arbitrary, at least in the US. Has that been the general experience? At this point, I'm not even think about hypothetical children; I'm just wondering if there's a convention that we missed somewhere in our efforts at equality and celebrating our joined families.<br /><br />And as an aside, what do you think about Antonio Villaraigosa (mayor of LA), who blended his and his (former) wife's names, Villar and Raigosa respectively? Here in California, both spouses have the right to change name at marriage, although everyone (at, say, county clerk, DMV, SocSecAdmin) has noted, generally with admiration and/or curiosity, that my situation is the first of its kind that they have seen.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07503209847714707459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-18864811446160819302010-07-23T15:18:26.374-05:002010-07-23T15:18:26.374-05:00I inherited a hyphenated last name from parents wh...I inherited a hyphenated last name from parents who both hyphenated their last names, and use the shared name legally and socially. (My father says this has been great for giving him feminist street cred!) With my siblings, this means I have an absolutely distinct name, which is going to be great for when I publish.<br /><br />The troubles I have had with it are as follows:<br />1) Other cumbersome last names are just what you got by luck- mine, people think they get to have an opinion.<br /><br />2)Some computers don't like the hyphenated last name. When this happens, I make a point of writing a letter of complaint to the companies that use them, and usually get something apologetic back about it. <br /><br />3) People think one portion is the "real" last name, and will try to use that. Correcting them takes all of three seconds.<br /><br />4) I do kind of wish I had the option of hyphenating my whole last name with that of my future spouse, because it actually sounds quite nice together. But it would never fit on forms. I'm considering dropping the lastlast name and rehyphenating with his (both of us would do this- leading to the first instance of the system suggested by the anonymous poster of 11/07/2007 01:47:00 AM) but I feel that the hassle of changing my last name would probably be really annoying. I think I'm sticking with my current arrangement. <br /><br /><br />For the vast majority of my life, though? It's just been my last name, no problem one way or another.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-35500464001084178352010-05-15T18:58:57.442-05:002010-05-15T18:58:57.442-05:00I read recently that Germany bans multiple generat...I read recently that Germany bans multiple generations of hyphenation. Will be fascinating to what the half-life of hyphenated names is in the United States. Haven't met a person with a double hyphen yet, even though I travel in social circles where a single hyphen is very, very common. As (another) aside, I think 100% of the hyphenated kids I've met are female. Are parents prone to hyphenating also parents who have just girls? Or do boys just drop the hyphen as soon as they turn 18? Enquiring minds would love to know.Colin Purringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12851248413189544236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-86813977478121667172010-02-21T12:27:19.096-06:002010-02-21T12:27:19.096-06:00Nothing says I love you like hyphenating (or not c...Nothing says I love you like hyphenating (or not changing) your name... Grrrrr... Good luck with the divorce...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-59273101514554952672009-12-03T10:32:05.617-06:002009-12-03T10:32:05.617-06:00When we got married, my husband and I both hyphena...When we got married, my husband and I both hyphenated professionally and socially but legally I took his last name and he took my last name as a middle name. We thought this would be the easiest way of balancing our concerns (he really didn't want to have a long last name, I wanted us to share a last name when we got married). The woman at Social Security was very confused, and asked us why he was changing his name, too, and he gets that frequently. We are the only couple I know where both people have hyphenated names (we have MyLastName-HisLastName, which we thought sounded better), but all of our female friends who've hyphenated have put their maiden last name first, then their husband's last name. Now I'm regretting it and wish I'd simply kept my own name. It's a hassle to have such a long last name (15 characters; my work email is 43 characters long) and I don't care so much now about having the same last name professionally. If we were doing it over again, we would have each kept our own names professionally & legally and just hyphenated socially.(and the ironic thing is, that was my husband's original solution to our dilemma, and I really pushed for us having the same last name--now, however, if I reject his last name, I think that he'd be hurt, and so would his family)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-79186576264492407562009-08-31T04:00:52.510-05:002009-08-31T04:00:52.510-05:00I want to thank all for the interesting insight on...I want to thank all for the interesting insight on the issue. I am from Venezuela, where the "rules" are the same as described by Emily on the post from 11/12/2006 02:39:00 PM. Since I also work in academia outside of Latin America (the Netherlands), to have two last names is a bit of an issue (like missing 1st last name from conference abstracts) or missing the accentuated vowels.<br /><br />I agree with the solution by the Female Science Professor. When I married, me and my wife decided for her to keep her last names intact (she is also from Venezuela). Regarding our future children, I hope they allow the space in the last name... otherwise the hyphenated form should work. It's silly that in the 21st century the world still has such complications. I am a man, so I don't even want to imagine all the hassle for female researchers. My sympathy for you girls, don't change your name and keep that expanding publication record.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-42919212238676445392009-08-13T18:19:26.816-05:002009-08-13T18:19:26.816-05:00I think that the school's can teach the child ...I think that the school's can teach the child whatever name the parent wants. If your son is upset about it, and he has the legal standing to do so, have him contact the school. <br /><br />I came here because I'm intending to hyphenate my son's name in the near future. He's 5 already, so it's a bit of an odd situation. When he was born, he got his dad's name, and I was cool with that. But now, his dad is no longer in the picture (by the dad's own choice - and for approximately 85% of my son's life). We live in a small town, in close proximity to my family (who have really been there for me, espescially my dad and brothers who do all the necessary male bonding things with him - even the ones I could live without!). Furthermore, my son will be going to a school in which my parents (and our last name) will cause alot of recognition for my son. <br /><br />It might be sad, but a kid who no one really knows will not get the same kind of attention as a kid whose family is known. It is sort of a combination of 'the squeaky wheel gets the grease' and 'it's not what you know, it's who you know'. For instance, my son had a very unusual speech delay. He could be understood pretty well, most of the time, but was not saying some of the very basic sounds. It's likely that if the speech pathologist had not known my father, she may have given him only the introductory assessment (where his delay was not easily documented). Instead, she knew my father, and knew that my father knew enough that we wouldn't be bothering with the evaluation unless we honestly believed there was something wrong - so she gave him a more in depth evaluation that showed his delay very clearly. <br /><br />In this case, she would have been adequately fulfilling her duty by giving the introductory assessment, and making the decision based on that alone. Yet, because she knew my father, and that my son was his grandson, he is getting the therapy he needs instead of having to wait until the delay had caused enough problems to be noticeable in a more severe way. <br /><br />Thus, in this environment, it will clearly be beneficial for my son to bear a tag that clearly says, "You know my family. You know my mother, my aunts, my uncles, my grandparents, and probably several dozen of my cousins!". At the same time, I don't feel it's right to take away from him a name that has already become his own, and still bears his paternal heritage even if his actual father isn't exactly going to be winning any parenting awards. <br /><br />So - I'm going to hyphenate his name. I came here trying to figure out which name I should put first. Unfortunately it seems like there's no real cosistency on which name is considered "primary". It seems that slightly more people seem to believe the second name is primary - but almost everyone agrees that alphabetizing and filing goes by the first one. Thus, it's pretty much a toss up. <br /><br />Heck, maybe I'll just leave it up to my son. It's his name after all!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-66971232013640130992009-03-25T15:14:00.000-05:002009-03-25T15:14:00.000-05:00my grandson has a hyphenated name and the mother w...my grandson has a hyphenated name and the mother whom my son is not with dropped off the whole middle for school so he is known only by her name can she do this legally. ex: Terry Lynn Smith-Thomas, they call him and teach him his name is Terry Thomas they dropped the whole middle for school. so he will not learn his real name Is this legal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-62179177881202309272009-02-23T19:05:00.000-06:002009-02-23T19:05:00.000-06:00I really appreciate your advice. I have been doin...I really appreciate your advice. I have been doing a lot of research on the internet on this subject and haven't been able to find any info about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-56390303460471309762009-02-23T18:56:00.000-06:002009-02-23T18:56:00.000-06:00I haven't noticed any trend in terms of whether th...I haven't noticed any trend in terms of whether the name order is dadname-momname or the reverse in mom-dad type families. I know kids with both orders and I really don't think it matters. In my daughter's experiences with officialdom (forms), sometimes the last last name is dropped and sometimes the first last name is dropped for convenience. <BR/><BR/>If one of the possible last names could theoretically be a first name, it might be annoying to be forever explaining that your kid's LAST NAME is Jane-Smith and that Jane is not a first or middle name. If it really doesn't matter, do what feels best to you. That's my random advice anyway. I'm glad we hyphenated our daughter's name, and so far she enjoys having a unique name.Female Science Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15288567883197987690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-21670982713736664522009-02-23T18:50:00.000-06:002009-02-23T18:50:00.000-06:00the reason I asked this is because in the 8/30/07 ...the reason I asked this is because in the 8/30/07 post above someone said the last name is primary. Also, it seems like it usually ends with the father's name which is why i asked if it matters in same-sex parenting situations where you have 2 mothers. Also, i was concerned which name would be more likely to be dropped if people didn't want to write the whole name out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-70500289697877387182009-02-23T18:45:00.000-06:002009-02-23T18:45:00.000-06:00the reason I asked this is because in the 8/30/07 ...the reason I asked this is because in the 8/30/07 post above someone said the last name is primary. Also, it seems like it usually ends with the father's name which is why i asked if it matters in same-sex parenting situations where you have 2 mothers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-70595035139217512372009-02-23T18:35:00.000-06:002009-02-23T18:35:00.000-06:00I don't know why it matters whether the parents ar...I don't know why it matters whether the parents are same-sex or not in this situation. My husband and I made our decision based on which order sounded best. I don't think the name order implies anything in terms of primacy of parents, unless you want it to.Female Science Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15288567883197987690noreply@blogger.com