tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post8000646455985234324..comments2024-03-14T04:53:49.513-05:00Comments on FemaleScienceProfessor: It's The Thought That CountsFemale Science Professorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15288567883197987690noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-16502839902340957172012-05-25T15:07:29.726-05:002012-05-25T15:07:29.726-05:00Maybe a positive reason to do this is to make wome...Maybe a positive reason to do this is to make women aware that the department specifically encourages applications from women?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-27328812523531177302012-04-29T21:51:49.584-05:002012-04-29T21:51:49.584-05:00I'm curious: Ceci and Williams have made a big...I'm curious: Ceci and Williams have made a big pitch claiming that discrimination in searches is not prevalent enough to be concerned about any longer. In your personal experience, do you see it as no longer a threat to women who might want your positions?<br />Laura HoopesLoreleihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07912727189990782170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-92099993950016031932012-04-28T16:26:00.515-05:002012-04-28T16:26:00.515-05:00when will be time for feminists to stop complainin...when will be time for feminists to stop complaining about irrelevant details, inventing fake discriminations to get more?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-8673458261415272592012-04-27T10:58:39.587-05:002012-04-27T10:58:39.587-05:00To answer Cherish, it's not common, but I know...To answer Cherish, it's not common, but I know of searches that have been shut down for violating procedure. It's actually a pretty effective threat, since most depts realize they may not get the position back, and so if they know that they could be kept from hiring anyone at all, it helps people be more mindful.MZnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-46999337341549311992012-04-26T19:29:15.145-05:002012-04-26T19:29:15.145-05:00I guess I would appreciate it if they did, though ...I guess I would appreciate it if they did, though I haven't really looked personally.<br /><br />On the other hand, this discussion has me curious. What, if anything, is done if a department is deemed as not having followed the 'correct' procedures in hiring? Does anything happen at all?Cherishhttp://cherishthescientist.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-32186504295465878712012-04-26T12:29:02.446-05:002012-04-26T12:29:02.446-05:00Back in the day, the only way to find out if a job...Back in the day, the only way to find out if a job was available was to ask someone for a job. This meant if the right person asked me, "is there a job available in your department," I could say "yes" or "no" depending on whether I wanted to hire that particular person. This is the "old boys network."<br /><br />Affirmative Action says that "jobs must be available to women." To comply with that requirement, jobs must be advertised. Advertising in a womens' groups publication proves compliance with the law.<br /><br />The law does NOT require that women actually be hired. Of course, interviewing women, or even just applications from women can prove that the job was "available" to women. "Available" means that women were aware of the job. <br /><br />There are job ads in AASWomen, which is an e-mail that goes out weekly. I have always been opposed to these ads because I think employers use the publication cynically to comply with the law. <br /><br />Women can read job ads anywhere, just as you point out, FSP. Really, we do not need them in a women's publication to see them.<br /><br />I think advertising jobs is a step forward. To me, an employer advertising in a "women's" publication is just as likely to be cynical and sexist as sincere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-1051543246821121452012-04-26T12:05:04.144-05:002012-04-26T12:05:04.144-05:00I can only dream of a day when the science field I...I can only dream of a day when the science field I'm in has a women's group and newsletter!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-65700091154686900652012-04-26T08:05:00.120-05:002012-04-26T08:05:00.120-05:00Not sure I understand how a female scientist would...Not sure I understand how a female scientist would not see the ad in Science or (for a chemist) in C&EN. If this person is searching for a faculty position, they would look where faculty positions are advertised. I don't think my department (Big-10 Chemistry Dept.) has ever advertised anywhere except Chemical and Engineering News. Maybe we have advertised for endowed positions in Science, but certainly not regular faculty positions. No one who is looking for a chemistry faculty position would fail to look at C&EN.<br /><br />RobAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-29535148777987265142012-04-26T07:37:34.932-05:002012-04-26T07:37:34.932-05:00We are still required to place ads in these newsle...We are still required to place ads in these newsletters, as well as in newsletter/job lists for minority scientists in our field. We do this mostly because our higher administration expects this, and it's easier to comply than to change their minds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-50222224333431486902012-04-26T06:26:31.090-05:002012-04-26T06:26:31.090-05:00Our chapter of the Association for Women in Scienc...Our chapter of the Association for Women in Science haa a job board on their website. However, very few, if any, of the posts I've read are for tenure-track academic positions (most of the posts are for industry/biotech positions).Jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-53030249002267708662012-04-26T01:53:21.235-05:002012-04-26T01:53:21.235-05:00I still see ads like this on women in maths email ...I still see ads like this on women in maths email lists, but usually the department in question actually seems to be looking for women. I have also written ads like this in order to prove to the department that there are women out there. And women replied, too, whereas positions at my department are otherwise often filled by friends of the group, who are -- surprise surprise -- predominantly men. So I think that this is not necessarily a problem.kamikazenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-81847944801766597762012-04-26T00:19:21.144-05:002012-04-26T00:19:21.144-05:00No clue how HR sees it, but I still see messages o...No clue how HR sees it, but I still see messages on the women's email message group for my field. It doesn't seem to be as many as a few years ago, but that could be the economy - I don't have a longer baseline to judge by.fizzchicknoreply@blogger.com