tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post8098234726639967918..comments2024-03-14T04:53:49.513-05:00Comments on FemaleScienceProfessor: Seeking PerfectionFemale Science Professorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15288567883197987690noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-45903403446472219742010-06-29T17:59:23.311-05:002010-06-29T17:59:23.311-05:00As a grad student, one way I research a topic is t...As a grad student, one way I research a topic is to start from one paper and see who has cited it (from ISI). So fixing the citations doesn't just help your h-index, it also helps connect the literature.<br />One can, however, use incorrect citations to track how one paper leads others to cite without checking.Materialisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17212265123565984739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-67534559339643347502010-06-29T17:58:09.510-05:002010-06-29T17:58:09.510-05:00It seems bibliometrics are rather malleable to beg...It seems bibliometrics are <a href="http://www.siam.org/news/news.php?id=1663" rel="nofollow">rather malleable</a> to begin with...Female Computer Scientisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16445505185253882833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-46023925411577265852010-06-29T17:37:42.438-05:002010-06-29T17:37:42.438-05:00I've been on lots of committees that discuss a...I've been on lots of committees that discuss a candidate's h-index. Not so common for hiring committees, but more common for promotion and awards committees.<br /><br />And has the last anon looked at the reporting form? If so, I'm either impressed with how fast you revise/edit papers or shocked at how slow you are at filling out a short and simple form.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-85654420381373106782010-06-29T17:36:34.959-05:002010-06-29T17:36:34.959-05:00One of the reasons I prefer Google Scholar -- it s...One of the reasons I prefer Google Scholar -- it sorts this kind of thing out better. Misses lots of things through typos than any modern IT system should find. My prediction is that WOS will decline in popularity over time unless it makes drastic changes.Dave Backushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11472846910681816429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-26322494159084002432010-06-29T17:12:28.790-05:002010-06-29T17:12:28.790-05:00Who has the time? Might take as much time to do th...Who has the time? Might take as much time to do the reports, figuring out whats wrong and correcting as it would to put effort forth into revising or editing a paper already in the hopper and by doing so increasing the h-index.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-48771063967417781792010-06-29T16:45:53.745-05:002010-06-29T16:45:53.745-05:00Comrade PhysioProf - You may need to lower your st...<i>Comrade PhysioProf - You may need to lower your steroid dosage - it seems you're raging.<br /></i><br />AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br /><i>I haven't corrected things in ISI but committees do look at the h-index.<br /></i><br />I have served on numerous faculty hiring committees over the years and not a single fucking time have I ever heard the term "h-index" referred to.Comrade PhysioProfhttp://physioprof.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-90302506721515707792010-06-29T14:56:15.428-05:002010-06-29T14:56:15.428-05:00Comrade PhysioProf - You may need to lower your st...Comrade PhysioProf - You may need to lower your steroid dosage - it seems you're raging. FSP asked a question. You can add a response but it's bullshit to attack the question. <br /><br />As a postdoc about to be asst prof I'd say that for most of us at this career stage we ARE relative nobodies and even if they know some of our work they may not know all of it or its impact - this can send people to ISI or Publish or Perish in order to compare you to the others who've applied. There they get an impression of you based on what shows up there. I haven't corrected things in ISI but committees do look at the h-index. Should they? Different question. I am not in the position to lecture to them about it at this stage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-34514638044886400442010-06-29T13:36:55.196-05:002010-06-29T13:36:55.196-05:00If a database exists and is used, it might as well...If a database exists and is used, it might as well be accurate. And if lots of people are finding errors, well, that's something that the database's managers need to know about.<br /><br />Besides, even if you are at a stage where this doesn't matter, you probably have some co-author who might also be affected if there's an error in how the paper is listed.<br /><br />Will they find you a bit annoying if you keep sending corrections? Maybe. But as long as you are polite about it I don't see any significant negatives for your reputation.<br /><br />Finally, a lot of people download citations from these databases to whatever software they're using to put citations into papers. Correcting this data will prevent errors in future papers. So there's another good reason. Yeah, yeah, a smart reader will know that "A. L. Jones et. al., Physical Review Letters 2010" is probably the same as "AL Jones et. al., Physics Review Letters 2010", but if the citation is there it might as well be right, you know?Alexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-6559298548691020372010-06-29T12:13:33.055-05:002010-06-29T12:13:33.055-05:00Having become more curious about this, I just sear...Having become more curious about this, I just searched Google Scholar for citations to a highly cited review I co-authored, using the most common mis-spelling of my last name. I found about 30 citations to my pubs but under that name on the first three pages of many, many pages...<br /><br />This used to be also true in ISI but I can't get it to search citations rather than pubs anymore...<br /><br />Perhaps there would be advantages to being named Smith<br />Mark PAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-37866965918693284092010-06-29T10:30:28.380-05:002010-06-29T10:30:28.380-05:00Web of Science has a few errors in my records, tho...Web of Science has a few errors in my records, though not nearly as bad as Google Scholar, which is loaded with typos and errors in citations.<br /><br />Does Web of Science even *have* a process for fixing errors, especially when the errors are in the original citation, rather than a transcription error on their part?<br /><br />What about when the error is in the original publication? On one of my group papers with several authors, one student's name was mis-spelled and no one caught it, not even the student himself, though he read and approved the submission and the final proofs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-31427038947026540102010-06-29T10:10:10.161-05:002010-06-29T10:10:10.161-05:00I think it might be one of those things that I mig...I think it might be one of those things that I might notice if I were updating my CV in the hunt for a new job. As petty as it sounds, you never know what minor detail might differentiate you from another candidate. That said, I don't know if it came to it whether I'd actually bother!<br /><br />Tara.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-17194780840811083132010-06-29T09:59:05.999-05:002010-06-29T09:59:05.999-05:00I would say that if a correction increases your h-...I would say that if a correction increases your h-index from, let's say, 20 to 50, it would be worth it.<br />If it is to change it from 20 to 22, I wouldn't bother.<br />Since I am a post-doc, my h-index is pretty low so I don't really care anyway (but my publication record and citations are pretty much correct in WoS, as far as I know).mixlamalicehttp://laviedemix.over-blog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-67690100988840839472010-06-29T09:54:07.631-05:002010-06-29T09:54:07.631-05:00I found the Web of Science just a few days ago, an...I found the Web of Science just a few days ago, and swiftly came to the conclusion that not only are my own publications not visible there - neither are those of ANYONE I've worked with thus far in my career.<br /><br />It seems to be rather irrelevant for my field.michiexilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00008302080954798496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-68762526513369772732010-06-29T09:11:15.543-05:002010-06-29T09:11:15.543-05:00I thought once you had tenure you didn't have ...I thought once you had tenure you didn't have to worry about this crap anymore. Am I wrong?Trabornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-49139312326901530992010-06-29T09:00:15.942-05:002010-06-29T09:00:15.942-05:00Comrade Physio and FSP may have less reason to wor...Comrade Physio and FSP may have less reason to worry about this being more established in their career. However, FSP earlier this year (I believe), had a post about "uncited publications... and are they worthwhile?" (paraphrasing from memory here) indicating that h-factor aside, citations are one way we get measured. I'm guessing the shorter the CV the more these things matter.<br /><br />If you've got a paper that's serially mis-cited could you elaborate/speculate as to why? And does this change how you'll publish in the future (i.e. avoiding a certian journal or not having an easy-to-mangle title)?Mr. Post-docnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-3903959242082550932010-06-29T08:53:51.406-05:002010-06-29T08:53:51.406-05:00Before I went up for tenure two years ago I had as...Before I went up for tenure two years ago I had asked Thomson to fix one of my papers. It was a highly cited paper, and I wasn't even the first (of many) authors. But when it came to tenure, it seemed prudent to make sure that the citations were mostly correct. That said, it took about a year before Thomson even responded and sort-of fixed it.<br /><br />So, one can report errors (I think I did it through a normal web site contact form) and they will probably consider reasonable requests, but it probably won't be quick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-73610399208876011642010-06-29T08:53:51.405-05:002010-06-29T08:53:51.405-05:00"If there are significant errors, have you do..."If there are significant errors, have you done anything about it? (Or will you?) It is possible to request a data correction using a form provided on the Web of Science website."<br /><br />I have done this (mostly to sort my refs to me and the newly appeared other people with my combination of last name and initials to them, though I have in the past tried other things) and it has been totally ineffective. I think this form is simply a ploy by ISI to pretend they attempt to be accurate, when in fact they are wildly inaccurate. Mike Rossner wrote a nice piece about their disregard to accuracy in the Journal of Cell biology--well worth a read.<br /><br />Mark PAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-91575978769220971192010-06-29T08:14:42.647-05:002010-06-29T08:14:42.647-05:00I should add: the above-noted problem with my art...I should add: the above-noted problem with my article in PRL doesn't affect my h-index. I do have another publication that is often mis-cited and it does affect my h-index. I don't lose any sleep over that one, either, and haven't tried at all to correct it.a physicisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16795655141660959996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-58955475476646524622010-06-29T08:12:55.328-05:002010-06-29T08:12:55.328-05:00One of my articles was published in Phys Rev Lett ...One of my articles was published in Phys Rev Lett and has article number 031416. If ISI counted mis-citations to article number 31416 as the same as 031416, I'd have 40% more citations for that paper.<br /><br />But no, I don't lose any sleep over it. It's a useful reminder about how noisy the citation data are.a physicisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16795655141660959996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-57906874779394108952010-06-29T07:27:17.695-05:002010-06-29T07:27:17.695-05:00Fix them. Someone out there is collected stats to...Fix them. Someone out there is collected stats to analyze about male vs female publication records.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05231614892716223391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-44600947767617430302010-06-29T07:07:02.543-05:002010-06-29T07:07:02.543-05:00People who make decisions about your career may ca...People who make decisions about your career may care. Seems to me like it would depend on the stage in your career and whether that h-index increase would help your advancement.Post-docnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-42157018725327190292010-06-29T07:05:14.511-05:002010-06-29T07:05:14.511-05:00I have requested changes in the past when I've...I have requested changes in the past when I've caught them. Most were about incorrect citations of my own papers. ISI are relatively prompt about corrections (takes a couple of weeks to implement them). <br /><br />About growing up: people <i>will</i> go look up your h-index all the time (I know I do and my colleagues do) and they will make judgments based on it, so there is nothing wrong in ensuring that it is correct. It's not like you are taking steroids.GMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17872461021953583473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-48203508829494383252010-06-29T06:06:40.287-05:002010-06-29T06:06:40.287-05:00I definitely care about it. I'm an FS-associa...I definitely care about it. I'm an FS-associate prof, with a slightly unusual name (multiple initials). PubMed can deal with names that have the initials A. B. C. but mine is A. B. X. C. So sometimes my papers come out with C. as the surname and sometimes with X. But no one can ever find the ones with X. and they don't contribute to my citation record. I've repeatedly filled in the PubMed correction form, and they do get corrected eventually, but the corrections don't filter through. Of course, I could drop the X. part of my name, but it is my name and I like it!<br /><br />Scopus has a better system where you can link all the variants of your name together so they all contribute to your citation record, and my citations are definitely higher on Scopus than on WoS. I haven't tried correcting the WoS version yet because I haven't had time.<br /><br />The current system definitely disadvantages people with non-traditional names, and I think a better author-identification system would be very helpful. The more metric become important, the more it matters that they are accurate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-56650845603775252212010-06-29T04:40:15.867-05:002010-06-29T04:40:15.867-05:00Wow...I thought I was pretty neurotic about such t...Wow...I thought I was pretty neurotic about such things, but I have never thought to check this. I'm curious to hear whether anyone actually has...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-28535049840709944252010-06-29T03:31:18.387-05:002010-06-29T03:31:18.387-05:00I asked for a correction once. It was very straig...I asked for a correction once. It was very straightforward and easy to do but it took them about two months to fix (they're upfront on the request form about the timescale).<br /><br />I would go ahead and request the corrections. The database might as well be correct and as Wikipedia has taught us, small improvements can really add up.bobnoreply@blogger.com