tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post8369801073701683139..comments2024-03-25T02:33:41.590-05:00Comments on FemaleScienceProfessor: Dragon LadyFemale Science Professorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15288567883197987690noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-21913662869579149162008-03-12T13:49:00.000-05:002008-03-12T13:49:00.000-05:00The Looney Tunes cartoons of the late 1930s payed ...The Looney Tunes cartoons of the late 1930s payed homage to the Dragon Lady character of Terry and the Pirates, but always as the seductress that ends up performing some level of violence on a male character. I think this is where the current more common conception of the term comes from.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06174375180154997574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-59833279465442872582007-05-08T01:53:00.000-05:002007-05-08T01:53:00.000-05:00An interesting thing to note. In a textbook used f...An interesting thing to note. In a textbook used for an English course last fall I came across an article in which a female professor in NY describes a class in which she asked her students what the male equivalent of the word "bitch" was. The response, from a female student, was "boss". Disturbing.<BR/><BR/>I'll resist the urge to post relevant stories of FSPs encountering lack of respect (to put it mildly) at the university I attend, as I did not opt for the degree of anonymity that you enjoy, and a campus of 35,000 is surprisingly small and interlinked.Natalie S. Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00129797193029597332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-52594664892937456672007-05-07T04:25:00.000-05:002007-05-07T04:25:00.000-05:00I like your candidnessI like your candidnessjeevan_royalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18343490795484166288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-11784892661323838372007-05-03T05:29:00.000-05:002007-05-03T05:29:00.000-05:00It's interesting to see slogans, names and cliches...It's interesting to see slogans, names and cliches from my youth reappear in popular culture, having lost their original context. The "Dragon Lady" was originally a character in the comic strip "Terry and the Pirates". Male characters had names like Big Stoop, Captain Judas, Chopstick Joe, and Cue Ball. Other women included Cherry Blaze, and Burma.<BR/><BR/>The Dragon Lady started out as the leader of a band of pirates. She was basically a femme fatale, in the James Bond sense, but not a "Bond girl" by any means. During World War II, she and her pirates became patriotic Chinese Guerilla fighters. <BR/><BR/>She had a name: Lai Choi San. There was also a radio show. Agnes Moorehead played the Dragon Lady for a while. You might remember her as Samantha's mother in Bewitched. <BR/><BR/>Sometimes the Dragon Lady was a villain, sometimes a seductress, sometimes she and Terry were on the same side. Always she was an effective leader and business woman, working in a primitive environment but with a lot of style. She was clearly a more interesting character than the stereotype her nickname has come to represent.Lucretiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17215760090866789561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-1148663980525853172007-05-02T16:26:00.000-05:002007-05-02T16:26:00.000-05:00Don't you just despair about the professional dith...Don't you just despair about the professional ditherers at meetings?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-89616467564986568052007-05-02T16:17:00.000-05:002007-05-02T16:17:00.000-05:00Two female colleagues growled at a male member of ...Two female colleagues growled at a male member of staff who peeped his horn as they wandered up the middle of the road oblivious to his car. As they turned a glowered at him his passenger, also male, proclaimed - Look! Rottweilers wi' lipstick!Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432867761595747610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-2099964923857859862007-05-02T11:47:00.000-05:002007-05-02T11:47:00.000-05:00This is interestingThis is interestingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-50795755482224462132007-05-01T17:03:00.000-05:002007-05-01T17:03:00.000-05:00I was the "bitch from Portland" and one of the two...I was the "bitch from Portland" and one of the two "wolf women" in our department when I was in grad school studying (a hard science). This was very odd, because I am actually a mealy-mouthed, non-confrontational person. I guess it was because I am not a beautiful soul from Venus, either...Reviewer Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16016764028172258373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-43997792155801945392007-05-01T11:25:00.000-05:002007-05-01T11:25:00.000-05:00Thank you for debunking the myth that the tenure s...Thank you for debunking the myth that the tenure system encourages intellectual risk-taking.<BR/><BR/>You are a full professor and yet you don't have the ova to identify yourself.<BR/><BR/>I wouldn't call you a dragon lady, doc, but you sure are a drag.<BR/><BR/>Deborah Frisch, Ph.D.<BR/>former director<BR/>Decision, Risk and Management Sciences<BR/>http://www.nsf.gov/funding/pgm_summ.jsp?pims_id=5423&org=SESnonk9https://www.blogger.com/profile/17980437631538882979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-62644011303875034582007-05-01T11:04:00.000-05:002007-05-01T11:04:00.000-05:00Found you by Blogs of Note, stayed because of the ...Found you by Blogs of Note, stayed because of the writing. In the department I studied in we only had one FSP (a second was hired as I finished, now has a third out of 10-12 profs). I don't think she had any nicknames although she dresses more formaly than the men (or the newer FSPs).<BR/><BR/>@hello - I wish I'd get hit on at conferences!LOL At one meeting (small, very specific topic) I could have counted the number of other female scientist on one hand. That was 6 yrs ago; last year there were many more (still not 50/50). We'll see in a few weeks if there are more or less this year. It is getting better. The old-outdated-thinking men are retiring.<BR/><BR/>@ FSP - Keep up the good work. I'll be back.Marciepoohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04431669840944884297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-87902564681353225362007-05-01T10:00:00.000-05:002007-05-01T10:00:00.000-05:00Unfortunately, old habits and prejudices die hard....Unfortunately, old habits and prejudices die hard. <BR/><BR/>I received my Ph.D. last year. My advisor was (actually, she still is) a woman, and is one of the leading scientists in her particular field of geophysics. She was tremendously supportive and a great mentor, even to this day. I never thought of her as differently because of her gender, but then again, I'm not from the "old school."<BR/><BR/>The fact remains that old habits and prejudices take generations to fade. All one has to do is look at racial discrimination to see this fact. It has been almost 150 years since the end of the Civil War, yet prejudice against African Americans continues. The fact that women are paid less than men for the same work is just another line of evidence that the acceptance of women as equals in the workplace still has a long way to go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-5946571023806698112007-05-01T07:45:00.000-05:002007-05-01T07:45:00.000-05:00My blog address: http://icychem.blogspot.com/My blog address: http://icychem.blogspot.com/sushihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10656570150670797449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-51833317179520752022007-05-01T07:43:00.000-05:002007-05-01T07:43:00.000-05:00Female Science Professor,A challenging question fo...Female Science Professor,<BR/>A challenging question for you: what compound gets warmer as temperature decreases, otherwise nothing else changes in its "functional" state? Example: a tree (the compound) will still be a tree (w/leaves etc.), but its temperature increases as the air temperature decreasessushihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10656570150670797449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-66954071387137117532007-05-01T07:40:00.000-05:002007-05-01T07:40:00.000-05:00For more on nonk9, here's a (national) news story ...For more on nonk9, here's a (national) news story which covered nonk9's threatening:<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGpSy7iZ-C0Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-65464886794103176672007-05-01T07:27:00.000-05:002007-05-01T07:27:00.000-05:00Loved reading your blog. Yes, got to it via BoN (B...Loved reading your blog. Yes, got to it via BoN (Blogs of Note) honour roll. <BR/><BR/>I remember during my undergraduate days, my friends and I termed three female professors - the Dowagers. It wasn't derogatory. On the contrary, we felt it was a term of utmost respect - they having arrived at the (perceived) top of the echelon of the department, and they were very good in their own fields of expertise. And yes, we didn't think they'd suffer nonsense from us if we failed to do our proper set of readings and tutorials.<BR/><BR/>On the side note, I used to dabble in science up till high school. After 10 years of that (and lots of mugging), I figured a survey of the social sciences would be a good balance. Now I wonder if the sciences and the teaching of it had become more interesting than when I was a student. : )旅者https://www.blogger.com/profile/02578378074518465125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-17434507955775085512007-05-01T04:55:00.000-05:002007-05-01T04:55:00.000-05:00HiNice blog...The fact that ur a professor+researc...Hi<BR/>Nice blog...The fact that ur a professor+researcher intrests meVarsha_Hosadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18024348550707370400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-88702522535559691932007-05-01T04:07:00.000-05:002007-05-01T04:07:00.000-05:00We need more women scientist. Keep up the good wor...We need more women scientist. Keep up the good work!blanko1https://www.blogger.com/profile/04154028823434103338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-38918030782413092582007-05-01T00:15:00.000-05:002007-05-01T00:15:00.000-05:00Hello!! I created a blog two years ago but got dow...Hello!! I created a blog two years ago but got down to the activity jus recently. And yes!! I found you through Blogs Of Notes (sure glad i did!!:-)).. Its nice reading through your blog.<BR/><BR/>I rmbr a Lady Prof we had whom we designated "Amma" (mother in India) for her postulations to us to remain virgins till matrimony (beleive it or not!!) and yes, we did tag our male professors too. But I agree that its the Lady profs who get targeted more.Zoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02967584377914346145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-17369386817442386372007-04-30T22:31:00.000-05:002007-04-30T22:31:00.000-05:00I was shocked when I was working on my masters deg...I was shocked when I was working on my masters degree at a very high profile university and one of my male professors said of a former grad. student "she was beautiful, but boy was she a bitch." Needless to say, I did NOT choose him to be my advisor and instead went with a female professor. I am currently a PhD candidate and I struggle with a love/hate relationship with conferences,etc. This past year I went to AGU and I can't tell you how many high profile male scientists blatantly made passes at me. It was great to be interacting with so many of my peers, but I definitely didn't feel comfortable around a LOT of them!<BR/><BR/>I'm so glad to have found your blog!just some girl (a woman/female if you prefer)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16081322719282764296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-22963818955697830372007-04-30T21:20:00.000-05:002007-04-30T21:20:00.000-05:00I don't think you are being rude at all, but I am ...I don't think you are being rude at all, but I am not exactly sure of the basis for your interpretation of my brief posting. Perhaps with some careful reading between and beneath the lines, it must be obvious that I was indeed in agony about an off-hand sexist phrase. <BR/><BR/>[note use of sarcastic font; <BR/>I recently did an 'interview' with Mr. Joe on his blog and I described my "Philosophy" as Sarcasm, so I need to keep in practice and be true to my Philosophy.]<BR/><BR/>Every once in a while I go on a trip to the cruel non-academic world, but I try not to stay too long. Most of these trips involve acquiring food or interacting with children and teachers (note: my daughter, who is in elementary school, does not yet have tenure). So, although of course I can't speak with any expertise about the real world, I can at least express sympathy for those who reside there and are forced to read frivolous academic blogs.Female Science Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15288567883197987690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-77413305163908233122007-04-30T21:03:00.000-05:002007-04-30T21:03:00.000-05:00not to be rude, but, i think it is only in the lux...not to be rude, but, i think it is only in the luxury of the university setting that a person can feel justified agonizing over the use of an off-handed phrase like "dragon-lady" as if the world turned on it. the rest of the world, where i dwell, is far to cruel a place to give it more than passing notice.aikshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02476846596041358924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-68247195470839602962007-04-30T20:50:00.000-05:002007-04-30T20:50:00.000-05:00I don't see why we can't just decide that 'dragon ...I don't see why we can't just decide that 'dragon lady' is a gender neutral term and apply it to men and women. <BR/>I think I was recently, behind my back, thought of as a dragon lady while trying to herd a committee. I got the job done and treated them with respect (while keeping my eye on the ball to get what I needed from the committee). I was actually called into the meeting by a coworker to 'crack the whip,' so being known as a 'dragon lady' has its advantages!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-43412688581412108512007-04-30T20:28:00.000-05:002007-04-30T20:28:00.000-05:00Hi, I really can connect with what you said, I'm a...Hi, I really can connect with what you said, I'm a teaching assistant in a university in Egypt, a country where women are still generally supposed to "lay low" and not show that they can be hard-working, espicially in research which is mostly "man" territory. Although I recently knew that I was called names "somehow I think in a complementary sense, such as hard a** and b****" meaning that they think I'm serious, but I really wonder if they call my male colleagues similar names. But I guess you have to do what you have to do.Mervat Fahmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11888560469654738066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-67320204073239468512007-04-30T17:18:00.000-05:002007-04-30T17:18:00.000-05:00Beware of "nonk9" - she's a former decision scien...Beware of "nonk9" - she's a <A HREF="http://donthiredeb.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow"> former decision scientist</A> who "decided" herself out of academia and into a jail cell by threatening toddlers (and economists, and myriad others) online.<BR/><BR/>(Hi, Deb!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-53415731231516946112007-04-30T16:24:00.000-05:002007-04-30T16:24:00.000-05:00I remember at top-notch Math-Science Professor at ...I remember at top-notch Math-Science Professor at UC Riverside named Pam Klute. She has probably moved on or retired to "Administrative Duty" but she was never called "Dragon Lady" that I remember. Bob! at: www.bobyourlifepreserver.blogspot.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com