tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post3695159326188405622..comments2024-03-25T02:33:41.590-05:00Comments on FemaleScienceProfessor: Troll DataFemale Science Professorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15288567883197987690noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-18851559138913576312007-04-11T06:35:00.000-05:002007-04-11T06:35:00.000-05:00I do hope Herman is better informed about whatever...I <I>do</I> hope Herman is better informed about whatever topic he's giving his talk on than he is on the subject of Nobel Laureates.Auntie Emhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05042427357649111620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-59565086842012652642007-04-03T18:34:00.000-05:002007-04-03T18:34:00.000-05:00Maria Mayer spent most of her career in the US, fr...Maria Mayer spent most of her career in the US, from 1939Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-61754547137891441892007-04-03T17:56:00.000-05:002007-04-03T17:56:00.000-05:00Gerty Cori was a naturalized American citizen. ht...Gerty Cori was a naturalized American citizen. <BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerty_CoriAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-60154522207933096372007-04-03T14:26:00.000-05:002007-04-03T14:26:00.000-05:00Hey--my moniker's been swiped! Twice! Typical trol...Hey--my moniker's been swiped! Twice! Typical troll behaviour. Well, at least he has been forced to confront the list of female Nobel prize winners from recent history, if his first post was honestly not a joke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-15342395053295648092007-04-03T13:49:00.000-05:002007-04-03T13:49:00.000-05:00anonymous, the first two in your list are not amer...anonymous, the first two in your list are not americans...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-54997153207094388372007-04-03T10:57:00.000-05:002007-04-03T10:57:00.000-05:00Oops, you're right, of course.Oops, you're right, of course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-3299143333641300722007-04-03T09:02:00.000-05:002007-04-03T09:02:00.000-05:00I didnt forget Franklin, but she was BritishI didnt forget Franklin, but she was BritishAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-10316759280705688212007-04-03T02:14:00.000-05:002007-04-03T02:14:00.000-05:00Don't forget Rosalind Franklin under "Nobel-calibe...Don't forget Rosalind Franklin under "Nobel-caliber".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-10271878773946280292007-04-02T22:43:00.000-05:002007-04-02T22:43:00.000-05:00American Female Nobel Prize Winning Scientists:Ger...American Female Nobel Prize Winning Scientists:<BR/><BR/>Gerty Cori<BR/>Physiology or Medicine 1947<BR/><BR/>Maria Goeppert-Mayer<BR/> Physics 1963<BR/><BR/>Rosalyn Yalow<BR/>Physiology or Medicine 1977<BR/><BR/>Barbara McClintock<BR/>Physiology or Medicine 1983<BR/><BR/><BR/> Gertrude B. Elion<BR/>Physiology or Medicine 1988<BR/><BR/><BR/>Linda B Buck<BR/>Physiology or Medicine 2004<BR/><BR/>American Female Nobel Caliber Scientist <BR/><BR/>Chien-Shiung Wu, physics<BR/><BR/>There are of course more women nobelists or nobel caliber in science from other countriesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-7858209270999042012007-04-02T22:27:00.000-05:002007-04-02T22:27:00.000-05:00I keep meaning to replace the weird hair picture, ...I keep meaning to replace the weird hair picture, but to me it sort of symbolizes part of my problem -- I don't look like a scientist or a professor. I could cut and dye my hair, I suppose, and I could get fake glasses and walk around in a lab coat all day, but it would be much better if more people would realize that scientists and professors can look like me.Female Science Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15288567883197987690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-43592079892804482552007-04-02T18:11:00.000-05:002007-04-02T18:11:00.000-05:00I have to agree with gs above here: and besides! ...I have to agree with gs above here: and besides! I always thought your profile picture was your hair. That's excellent hair, in that case. The Nobel question really highlights the definition of success. We were discussing a prominent female women's basketball coach being underpaid for her work (after the caveat of what underpaid is in college athletics is met) and the issue of national championship titles, of which this lady has none, came up. I highlighted the years of Final Four appearances and other illustrious accomplishments and the audience readily agreed that yes, this was a clear list of high success. But we all do tend to fixate on the pinnacle of any achievement: as if without that one award you must not be of that tier or near or, or other women or any subgroup must not be. Foolishness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-43575924488774222222007-04-02T13:58:00.000-05:002007-04-02T13:58:00.000-05:00Oh dear, Pete has outed me as an industrial physic...Oh dear, Pete has outed me as an industrial physicist, studying foams and emulsions in my "lab" at Starbucks. However, I do know some things about academia, and my opinions are as valid as anyone's.<BR/><BR/>Please remember, hermannweyl, not to post during your purported "talk" at PIT. The blogosphere will thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-65595197389460830802007-04-02T13:37:00.000-05:002007-04-02T13:37:00.000-05:00patt, as a person working in starbucks, you are sp...patt, as a person working in starbucks, you are speculating too much... Don't you have a customer waiting for you? What do you know about academia other than the frapuccinos you serve to professors?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-62652141337038241792007-04-02T13:28:00.000-05:002007-04-02T13:28:00.000-05:00I believe that the competition for academic physic...I believe that the competition for academic physics jobs is so intense, if you have a serious personality flaw that makes you unable to deal with women, and this is noticed, you will be tossed aside for a better-qualified AND more collegial candidate. Even at Podunk Institute of Technology. Why would an institution make such a risky hire? (I can see this would happen if, say, hermannweyl were 1000x better than the competition, but I have seen no evidence for this, and many nonsensical logical leaps that would point to the inverse.) As to whether such a candidate can stealth it up until tenure, yes, that is troubling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-49669465723352380712007-04-02T12:27:00.000-05:002007-04-02T12:27:00.000-05:00patt, it is neither of them. It is an institute of...patt, it is neither of them. It is an institute of technology. I suggest you stop writing rubbish since you do not know who I am. I may not be Herman Weyl but I did not start research yesterday either. Since nobody knows anyone in this forum, it is essentially shooting in the dark. Do we know FSP is a professor anywhere?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-43037437733475883362007-04-02T12:05:00.000-05:002007-04-02T12:05:00.000-05:00Actually, the 'invited talk' comment raises an int...Actually, the 'invited talk' comment raises an interesting point. <BR/><BR/>How many of these people are lurking out in the world, mostly keeping their mouths shut at work and at meetings, saving their real beliefs for comments on blogs? <BR/><BR/>We'd all like to think that none of them are successful scientists by most objective measures- papers, invited talks, grants. But the fact of the matter is, they are out there, they are not figments of the blogosphere. They actually do think this way, and have all this pent-up rage. These kinds of comments would translate into outright discrimination and hate crimes if acted upon in 'real' life. <BR/><BR/>Thanks, FSP, for sharing. When they come to me, I mostly choose to delete them, so I'm not as interesting to target as I used to be. I don't need the reminders that these people are out there, since I'm pretty sure some of them work in offices and labs just like mine.Ms.PhDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11050354864577547294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-91574148600566810982007-04-02T11:11:00.000-05:002007-04-02T11:11:00.000-05:00I'm sure it's an invited talk in east podunktown t...I'm sure it's an invited talk in east podunktown that your advisor did not want to give, or some colloquium at your old school. Good invitations come more freely to those who are collegial.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-78476059699747121852007-04-02T09:53:00.000-05:002007-04-02T09:53:00.000-05:00patt, I have an invited talk in two weeks. I also ...patt, I have an invited talk in two weeks. I also know female scientists who do not have complexes (take Lisa Randall for instance)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-76217938184837556952007-04-02T08:20:00.000-05:002007-04-02T08:20:00.000-05:00While the first two comments and others like it ar...While the first two comments and others like it are truly loathsome, I really don't feel that hermannweyl's (and sockpuppet's) attitude is shared by most leaders in the physics field. I have encountered guys like this in person, and it is my experience that they're into physics purely for reassurance that they're in the "smart" club. Most of their joy comes from the shared experience of deriding others outside their immediate field, rather than making actual contributions such as APS presentations. (For that matter, I seriously doubt hermannweyl has even created a poster.) <BR/>Fortunately, you gotta love the physics itself to have long-term staying power in the field--otherwise it is a very unrewarding career choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-343306839962875212007-04-01T21:44:00.000-05:002007-04-01T21:44:00.000-05:00In some ways the annoying troll comments are like ...<I>In some ways the annoying troll comments are like data outliers that you'd like to delete because they make the interpretation of the 'nice' data more difficult, but they are data nevertheless.</I><BR/><BR/>Spoken like a scientist and not a statistician. Aggressively sexist comments and those of commenters who actually interested in what it's like being a woman in science are *not* comparable data points.<BR/><BR/>I mean it's one thing to come in and say "I think sexism is academia is overstated". It may be wrong--especially in light of the fact that nearly everything on this blog is 1st person experience, it's not that there's a lot to debate--but it's a debatable proposition. <BR/><BR/>The "I'm sure FSP is ugly" flame, on the other hand, is just pure ass-hattery and has no place here (or anywhere, really). Moderating them is a pain, but I hope that you decide to do so. (and I'd ban whatever IP address "hermanweyl" posts from--he's a proper jackass)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-75301705209036449082007-04-01T21:38:00.000-05:002007-04-01T21:38:00.000-05:00I'm inclined to consider suspicious most comments ...I'm inclined to consider suspicious most comments dated April 1st. <BR/><BR/>Including this one, I suppose.<BR/><BR/>Er, uh, oh...<BR/><BR/>Segmentation fault. Core dumped.etbnchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03705201307328226917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-65727763827682386812007-04-01T20:48:00.000-05:002007-04-01T20:48:00.000-05:00Sigh...I guess all you can do is laugh.The name Lo...Sigh...<BR/><BR/>I guess all you can do is laugh.<BR/><BR/>The name Lobachevsky recalls the wonderful Tom Lehrer song lyrics:<BR/><BR/>I am never forget the day I first meet the great Lobachevsky.<BR/>In one word he told me secret of success in mathematics: Plagiarize!<BR/><BR/>Plagiarize,<BR/>Let no one else's work evade your eyes,<BR/>Remember why the good Lord made your eyes,<BR/>So don't shade your eyes,<BR/>But plagiarize, plagiarize, plagiarize...<BR/>Only be sure always to call it please, "research".Mr. B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02067666077743889680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-11662024916262703672007-04-01T20:24:00.000-05:002007-04-01T20:24:00.000-05:00Hermanweyl - I was going to stay out of this (base...Hermanweyl - I was going to stay out of this (based on the old adage "Don't feed the trolls!"), but since you dragged me in by apparently thinking that the above anon post was from me (it wasn't - you've posted numerous things in the past that would allow a reasonably bright person to infer that you're at Rice), I have to respond. <BR/><BR/>I don't post anonymously.<BR/><BR/>Your attitude and behavior are an embarrassment. You're free to hold your ill-informed opinions, but when you deliberately post obnoxious drivel in a puerile attempt to provoke a response, it's not witty, or funny, or cool - it's creepy, pathetic, and sad. Either you really have all this hostility and resentment toward someone you've never met purely because of her gender and profession, or you want to pretend that you do because you somehow get enjoyment out of being a provocateur. Neither alternative speaks well of you.<BR/><BR/>At least Lubos Motl has the guts to sign his name to his aggressive trolling. <BR/><BR/>Your opinions are not worth any further response. FSP, please accept my apology. I fear that the link on my blog to this one led to this trolling.Douglas Natelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13340091255404229559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-70411599955333760432007-04-01T20:11:00.000-05:002007-04-01T20:11:00.000-05:00Doug Natelson,My country won a nobel prize just la...Doug Natelson,<BR/>My country won a nobel prize just last year. FYI... Let me know when you get oneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29059245.post-46640595690486547652007-04-01T19:32:00.000-05:002007-04-01T19:32:00.000-05:00So I can't help it- I laughed. What a great first...So I can't help it- I laughed. What a great first pair of clueless comments.<BR/><BR/>And last I checked, Newton said on his deathbead that his proudest accomplishment in his life was that he died a virgin. Hawt. No one seems to mind though.Yvettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16320357602346908014noreply@blogger.com